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    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc

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    Post  -Aj- Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:06 pm

    So due to informers mass order I'm guessing there are more than a few of you with BBB's lying around.. But how do you make these red phallic objects awesome? Read on.

    1st step - Get a BBB - available on Ebay, Possibly from Informer in the future too. I was going to purchase one of his but hookers and street kids took all my money... Later I happened upon a super cheap second hand one in the states and got it over here with some other guns.

    Open your BBB up. Anyone who has tried this will know that it is not very easy.

    Start by taking apart the front half of the gun. Now once all the screws are out of the rear half you'll notice the long tube still wont pull apart.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1392-1

    That is because of the little guys in the green circle. These are pegs of plastic that have been glued in place. I heated a stanley knife on the stove for a little bit and severed them in half. If after doing this you still cant get it open then run a (normal temp) knife down the seams to loosen the glue bond and then pry apart. Don't force it too much distorting the shell ruins your blaster.

    When you open make sure you dont lose the following pieces.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1411

    Remember where they go and their orientation. These keep the gun primed.. very important.

    In case you're mildly braindead they go in these bits.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1412

    Now. Take off the front cap of the BBB plunger assembly. I took my photos post-mod so I don't have a photo of a stock one... Here's one from Rork

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc S7301076

    Cut off the barrel where the red line is and make it flat

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc S7301076-1

    Prep your coupler - Drill a small hole through the coupler just behind the centre internal ridge. Put a piece of coat hanger wire through the coupler and wrap it in E-tape so it seals and no air can escape through these holes. Then saw 10mm off the back of the coupler (same end you just drilled the hole in)

    I have no photos of this stage it shouldn't be too hard. You'll see later what the coupler looks like from the rear.

    Now. Take a sanding drum from a dremel and sand out the barrel opening until a 20mm orange Conduit coupler will fit in.

    Take lots of care, you want to the coupler to only just fit, so it will be airtight with a little glueing. Once it is in there, make sure it's straight, then glue it in (super glue or epoxy)

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1400

    Then I pressed a ring of 10mm FBR into the dead space, this helps it seal, stabilises the coupler AND reduces dead space. Here you can also see the dart stop i installed in the coupler.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1395

    I took off the plunger head and nested a nightfinder spring inside the other one. This one has been stretched and is an older one so a newer generation spring may not fit/have the same results. DO NOT use a C-836.. this blaster cant handle it.. yet. BBB's have a very unreliable catch so trust me on this.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1408

    There is one things I'll leave out of this mod. That is what I did to my plunger head exactly. You have to experiment and work a few things out if you want the bitchin, vacuum loading, 100-ft ranges I'm pulling out of mine..

    Here's a photo to give you a rough idea.. but it's not as simple as it seems on the surface.. Experiment

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1409

    Also notice the 1 wrap of e-tape, this makes the seal between this and the front piece airtight.

    Finally I cut some 10mm FBR in half down the middle, then half again, so I got a long piece with two flat faces and one curved. I glued this on top of the rear coupler lip. This removes more deadspace - Originally I added more but it interfered with the reseting of the catch by impeding the plunger head movement. Learn from my mistake.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1410

    Add an additional catch spring. It will need it. Make SURE the catch does not pop out when you are re-assembling.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1413

    Put it all back together, wrap some e-tape around the top of the part of the shell where we severed the nubs, as nothing is holding these two halves down the front anymore.

    Screw it all back together. And BOOM. Awesomeness.

    From here you should be getting 60' flat minimum - the climb to the hallowed 100 ft mark is simply optimising seal on the plunger head, and finding the optimal dart/barrel combination. All my barrels are nested in a 3-5cm section of grey 20mm conduit, for use with the coupler.

    To give you an idea on how effective all of my sealing efforts are - if there is a dart in the barrel when I prime the gun the plunger head COMES OFF the plunger tube as it cannot suck in enough air.

    Also here it is primed

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1380

    If I form a seal over the coupler with my hand and fire the plunger STOPS halfway through its stroke

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1382

    The air then slowly leaks out, I thought this meant my seal could be better but Tidge has since informed me it is intrinsic of this plunger head type to flex after it comes to a rest after rapid movement, hence the slow air release.

    So yeah, it is basically 99% optimized as far as flow, lack of deadspace and seal is concerned.

    Final step

    Shoot Bitches.

    I'm pulling 90-110 with optimal dart/barrel combos on this.. minimum of 70 even with bad combos.

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1376

    I pity the Adelaide nerfer who gets this view on saturday

    Writeup - Big Bad Bow - Coupler addition, spring addition, Seal improvement etc IMG_1375

    Enjoy kids

    Aj
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    Post  melbourneSTORM4eva Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:20 pm

    Damn -Aj-, very nice write up.
    Hopefully if inf0m3r gets more of these, I will have to buy one from him.

    Also, can you maybe put up a tested average on the range, flat and angled, that would be great.

    Very nice work mate.

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    Post  -Aj- Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:30 pm

    It's rad cold here at the moment, but I'll head outside and do some more tests when I get the chance.

    But yeah around 90-100 flat with the right dart - indoors I must add, ( I have a looong hallway/house)

    outdoors the wind resistance will probably take this down a bit.

    Slightly angled (how most nerfers naturally shoot, not 45degrees) it breaks 100 consistently.

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    Post  kingkottah Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:21 am

    Sweet I have been trying to get that bugger open and just dicided "Im not going to brake you so im going to leave you open for 3 months until somebody makes a write up and tells you how to open it"

    And regarding the coupler can I just get them from Bunnings or do I have to go to a plumbing shop (or what ever sells couplers)

    -Aj- wrote: I was going to purchase one of his but hookers and street kids took all my money.

    So Adelaide has that problem too or just certaint suburbs like Newcastle (I sware you go into a certaint suburb every corner has a hooker on it!
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    Post  Biggles Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:25 am

    kingkottah wrote:

    -Aj- wrote: I was going to purchase one of his but hookers and street kids took all my money.

    So Adelaide has that problem too or just certaint suburbs like Newcastle (I sware you go into a certaint suburb every corner has a hooker on it!

    Depending how you look at it that's a good thing or a bad thing!

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    Post  -Aj- Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:53 am

    kingkottah wrote:Sweet I have been trying to get that bugger open and just dicided "Im not going to brake you so im going to leave you open for 3 months until somebody makes a write up and tells you how to open it"

    And regarding the coupler can I just get them from Bunnings or do I have to go to a plumbing shop (or what ever sells couplers)

    -Aj- wrote: I was going to purchase one of his but hookers and street kids took all my money.

    So Adelaide has that problem too or just certaint suburbs like Newcastle (I sware you go into a certaint suburb every corner has a hooker on it!

    I bought all my couplers and conduit from home hardware and it is available at bunnings too. Conduit is used for running electrical wires so it is in the electronics section of bunnings rather than with the PVC. It it comes in orange and grey, in 16mm, 20mm and 25mm sizes. The measurement is the OD, and two colours have different wall thickness (orange is thicker than grey), for instance 16mm ORANGE conduit is too tight for darts but grey will it stock darts / Informers foam.

    Because the OD is the same grey couplers will work with orange conduit and vica versa


    Oh and no not really I live in a pretty damn nice suburb of Adelaide, very safe lol. The Hookers thing was joke I thnk I just partied to hard down the Beach back in January when i was going to buy one lol

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    Post  kingkottah Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:29 am

    Yeah I was thinking you dont seem like the kind of guy who would live in a bad/dangerous suburb.

    Back on topic: Is it that hard to cock when you have such a tight seal and NF-BBB spring combo or is that just when you have a dart in the barrel?
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    Post  -Aj- Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:43 am

    Not hard at all. The spring in it is definitely not THE most powerful spring you could have in the gun however you will need to reinforce a lot of different pieces to use a spring combo stronger than mine.

    When a dart is in the barrel you hear a distinct "pop" as the plunger head pops off the top of the plunger shaft, it isn't hard to cock it just doesn't fire as the plunger has no head on it! Firing the blaster pops the head back on. I plan to add a washer and screw on top to stop this from happening.

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    Post  Frankie27 Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:01 am

    Very nice writeup. I need to get back to work on my BBB. I've already done the coupler and NF spring addition and was hitting roughly 55ft with a 3 inch Hep20 barrel. So the seal is where its all at? So that is where I shall go

    What length barrel are you using and how tight are the darts?
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    Post  -Aj- Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:23 am

    What kind of darts are you using?

    I use either a 6 inch PETG barrel with 13mm FBR, that gets me to 90's consistently. 7" 16mm grey conduit with 40mm CDTS gets me the 100's


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    Post  Frankie27 Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:39 am

    Remember alt/firestreak? He once sold white foam, thinner than informers, even thinner than ModMans. He called it 13mm FBR but I'd say it was 12mm. Perfect for Hep20, just push it in, very a nice snug fit (no twisting)

    So your darts are a snug fit? Or tight?
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    Post  inf0rm3r Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:25 am

    Excellent, I have been looking for a decently explained write up this for awhile. You have now given me something to do over the weekend!
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    Post  kingkottah Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:53 pm

    Aj just a quick question, when im cutting the rear end open should I be sawing with my knife or should it cut through nice and easly?
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    Post  -Aj- Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:26 pm

    I used a slightly heated knife, so no sawing involved. I use the dull edge of the blade to pry open the seam, except it wouldn't give where the rods where, so I did small slices there and then it came apart.

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